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Completely in their lane. it was not forced by other efforts. >> they won't quite blame hhs, at the same time, there has to be some kind -- it's not clear officials at the white house who -- briefings in september seemed bullish and did not see this kind of website problem. remember a few weeks ago we were talking about how the website is working great, it's just the volume is so high. i think it's very clear that's not the case. it was not about volume. it was about website design. second problem, come back to what ari said. look at tem, a state they wanted rick perry to accept the medicaid f...

And we're back. let me start with you, donna. the president on a sunday show this morning said -- i'm sorry. the treasury secretary said about the president that there is no one more frustrated than the president at the difficulty with the obama care website. so how much of a problem is this now that we're stopping talking about the shutdown and starting to focus on this? >> it's unacceptable. the president is absolutely right. healthcare.gov -- i hate to give out the website, had 19 million unique visitors. there were a lot of glitches. a lot of surge. i'm not an expert on the internet. my ex...

For now, the program is in intensive care. they'll fix these problems. what's good is in connecticut and kentucky, california, new york, people got onboard. they're signing up. we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. the affordable care act is here to say. >> this is not a website problem. this is the way washington works problem. washington can't do anything. they had two years of meetings and meetings upon meetings and new regulations about the -- they can't manage their way out of a paper bag. the old top down way of doing things in washington, hierarchy can't fix anything. thi...

Editor for the daily beast. the president has said itle times. the buck stops with me. he won't lose his job over this. but the person in charge of the rollout was kathleen sebelius as secretary of the hhs. should she be fired? >> yes. as brian mentioned in the piece, they had three years and hundreds of millions to get this right. just months before it was ready to go, in september of this year go they told us they were ready to go. we're going on sign up 500,000 people in the first month. when the demand started, the day after they launched, they said the problem was not that there was a web...

he says it will make a huge difference for americans who are suffering and will cut tacks, but he's warning lawmakers who oppose it they'll answer to him and the voters. >> the question then is will congress do something? if congress does something, i can't run against a do nothing congress. if congress does nothing, then it's not a matter of me running against them. i think the american people will run them out of town. >> let's go to brianna keilar. the president acknowledged that americans are very frustrated right now. >> he did, but he also deflected any suggestion that they are...