completely in their lane. it was not forced by other efforts. >> they won't quite blame hhs, at the same time, there has to be some kind -- it's not clear officials at the white house who -- briefings in september seemed bullish and did not see this kind of website problem. remember a few weeks ago we were talking about how the website is working great, it's just the volume is so high. i think it's very clear that's not the case. it was not about volume. it was about website design. second problem, come back to what ari said. look at tem, a state they wanted rick perry to accept the medicaid funds. he declined. the argument was once the law is really working great in california or oregon, rick perry will feel pressured to expand medicaid. i don't think rick perry is feeling a lot of pressure to implement obama care in his state right now. that's where this sort of website stuff becomes a real public policy issue that affects