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Michael d antonio doesn't think so. michael, why do you believe that donald trump as a candidate must have known? >> well, there are a number of reasons. one is that this is a very hands-on executive donald trump, the president. he had to know everything that was going on in those offices. it's a very small space, actually. we're talking about two floors connected by an interior stairwell. there's constant flow in and out of his office with people reporting to him and competing for his approval. >> even among the kids? >> even among the kids and that's sort of the more shakespea shakespearean ...