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Do that. you have the ukrainians who want help recovering what they believe are stolen assets, and also just general influence in the u.s.. and they think trump has that. rudy has that. and then you have rudy who is trying to make money kind of in between the middle of them. it's just a very interesting, as i say, confluence of various competing and parallel interests. >> the words money and influence come up a whole lot in that last paragraph of yours right there, matt. just final bely, what does rudy giuliani have to say about all this? >> well, rudy today, i can't say he disputed the report...

Lutsenko. there are no details of the draft. maybe he will get a $200,000 consulting fee, $300,000 consulting fee. they contemplate involving some other allies of the president, lawyers here in town. joe degenova. it never comes to pass. it was contemplated rudy would do some work for this guy particularly with some asset kind of recovery mission he wanted. it seems clear the implication this guy was trying to buy some good will with a person close to the president. ultimately never comes to pass, but it's just a really interesting thing that we sort of reported on today. >> interesting is one...

Capitol hill has ceded a lot of authority to the administration going back many years. >> then why would chuck grassley pipe in at all? >> because i think there are republicans who believe they need to speak out. what we've seen in this administration since the beginning of 2017 is congress speaks out and doesn't do much on the other end. lindsey graham, for example, is supportive of this after being against tariffs for a long time. it's funny, i was on the phone with people from the white house last night who were saying this is counter to our message that the northern triangle countries, not...

That makes great rock stars great rock stars. >> used to be chalk lines on the football field. there's a weird confluence of events, synergy, i don't know what it was. i spend most of the weekend when i was in the car listening to the tom petty channel on sirius xm radio. it reminded me once again that millions of artists that are out there. millions of rock and rollers and singers, tom petty, you listened to everything -- you listened to the whole song. you wouldn't change -- you just listened to all of it. incredible writer of sons. incredible performer. but bizarre that he would die this wa...

Makes her daughter thinks she's cool, but i don't know. i may have pushed it. >> it's a weird confluence, valerie jarrett, rahm emmanuel and roger ailes all sitting together. >> it was not the washington correspondents one but the d-list one, tv and radio one. it was a crazy combo. i will say i'm amazed at how these washington people sit around and next to each other. >> what do you think his legacy -- ailes' legacy is going to be? >> i think truthfully his legacy is going to be the way he treated women, i really do. especially when you look at the chorus of people backing him up. who wants se...