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Has amasked thanks to gates that helps connect them to trump. >> that's the big question here, right, sam? >> well, i think the issue is what did donald trump know and what did he think was going on? i mean, honestly -- >> that gets back to the need to know question. i honestly think and adam davidson who is a frequent guest on this program had a tweet threat today, you don't understand, nobody knows what anyone else is doing because nobody is working on this weird wink, wink basis weirdly to do shady stuff. >> from when he came. there was a lot of very dodging stuff going on. real estate and ...

Has amasked thanks to gates that helps connect them to trump. >> that's the big question here, right, sam? >> well, i think the issue is what did donald trump know and what did he think was going on? i mean, honestly -- >> that gets back to the need to know question. i honestly think and adam davidson who is a frequent guest on this program had a tweet threat today, you don't understand, nobody knows what anyone else is doing because nobody is working on this weird wink, wink basis weirdly to do shady stuff. >> from when he came. there was a lot of very dodging stuff going on. real estate and ...

Nudge, nudge. we should also say this, the taiwanese press reports that the phone call was originated by him. >> i am resistant as a person to personality driven analysis of different foreign leaders and american leaders. i just don't buy it, one thing i have to say i'm worried about is, if donald trump doesn't have preferences, knowledge or curiosity about a lot of person things, there will be people around him who do. who use him as a vehicle to accomplish stuff that he may not even understand the magnitude of while he's doing it. >> this feels like the first thing since he's been president-...

The other possibility is that he willingly did this. he knew this was going to be one of the biggest changes in american foreign policy since you and i have been alive. he wanted to do it as a surprise to everyone with no warning, with no support, no notice to either the state department or the white house. >> they're not talking to the state department, they're not taking as far as we can tell, we don't know if these phone calls are happening on secured lines. we don't know if -- >> if his kids are in on it? >> we should note -- he tweeted the president of taiwan called me all caps today. to ...

Disinclined us toward war when they set up this country. part of that was giving the military to a civilian leader who could use then the military as one of -- only one of the tools that he or she had for solving the nation's problems. if the military is hived off from that decision process, then every problem looks like a nail, and that hammer is all well suited for every one of them. >> since we're talking about military solutions, i want to also talk about the possibly slow moving diplomatic crisis that was initiated today? >> a new war with china? >> yeah, so, okay, we have -- china has a ...