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Trite welfare argument. >> let me go to sabrina because one of the laughable parts of this, it's an emotional issue, the laughable part you make $200 a week two kids at home three people splitting 100 bucks a way, about $5 a day. the idea that you're going to take that money and scrounge it together and end up on a cruise ship liner somewhere is such a laugh. why do they put cruise ships on this trip? on this deal? >> it's laughable because it's creating in misconception that this is what families low-income families are spending their welfare subsidies on the same thing applies for food stamp...

Leave the welfare argument out for a second. but i think the other point you made which is an important one is that people that don't work, that get behind another force on the golf course, drop dead of heart attacks at quite a rate. some have to work, elderly, but a lot go back to work because they want to. they find out having nothing to do ain't the golden years they were promised. >> raising the retirement age, i am not going to retire, i refuse to. i would -- >> joy. how long do we have you around? >> kg, you would be distraught. that's for sure. eric, something culpable in the change? >>...

Leave the welfare argument out for a second. but i think the other point you made which is an important one is that people that don't work, that get behind another force on the golf course, drop dead of heart attacks at quite a rate. some have to work, elderly, but a lot go back to work because they want to. they find out having nothing to do ain't the golden years they were promised. >> raising the retirement age, i am not going to retire, i refuse to. i would -- >> joy. how long do we have you around? >> kg, you would be distraught. that's for sure. eric, something culpable in the change? >>...

Wedge between the two of them by republicans backfirefires on the welfare argument and taxes argument and economy argument. i think they've basically just heated up. will clinton outshine obama? of course. he's a super nova. he'll outshine him tonight. but the glow is going to benefit obama on election day. >> there's all this talk they don't like each other they don't get along. isn't politics about self-interest and what you want to do in terms of making your mark on history? >> well, yes. i think dana put it well. politics is about finding where your self-interests overlap. the vin diagram....

Robo calls and guess what's in the robo call, the president wants to raid medicare for $716 million and he's going to tax wheelchairs and pacemakers. i mean, if it failed during their convention, why do they keep doing this? >> and i expect next they'll come back again with that jamesville gm plant which has been discredited and that whole line about the simpson-bowles that paul ryan trotted out last week. so, you know, that doesn't seem to be working. you know, when you take something like the jamesville case that's flat wrong, that's one thing. gene does make an important case that welfare a...