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There is a lot of energy there that perhaps doesn't fit what some folks in florida are used to engaging. and that is scary to a lot of people. and the robocall is very overt. there is so many other ways these sort of microaggressions, when you talk about race in this sort of coded language, folks are used to that. it's important for us to call that out even more than before. >> very quickly, amy, in the time we have, we saw desantis double down, no apology. point of no return when it comes to this? >> i think that was a big mistake for him. >> yeah. all right. well, will this become the overal...

Used, and i also thought it was weaponizing skin color. so? not sort of something that is specific to party. it's a terrible, terrible tactic. but when you look at florida, there are so many things happening down there. i certainly think it will backfire. >> amy, i want your take on that. it keeps coming up. this day and age with the tone knowing the sensitivity, race relations, too, that again the point that basel brought up, a harvard educated man knowing now than any other time, word choices, phrases that are used are important and can be construed and misinterpreted in many ways, but yet t...

Even if it wasn't the intent, if he would have simply said, hey, look, i'm really sorry. i didn't think this through. that was not what i intended to mean at all, we might have been able to say, you know, i forgive you and let's move on. but that doesn't seem to be the case. so it's unfortunate that he chose that route. >> who was he trying to get that message across to when it comes to using that term or the pra e phrase? >> that's a very good question. once again, i don't think that he was really thinking this through. i hope so. if he really thought that that was a wise statement, then mayb...