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It, well gee, did, prur wiretapped? did people go to a fisa court to find out what your people were doing and now he's saying i have these secret tapes maybe that would clear my conversation with comey, and now we say well are there tapes? he cannot defend himself. he's changing the story and sometimes i ask myself, if he did something really bad, we would be doing anything different? the conclusion is no. >> congresswoman, let me ask you, majority leader, minority leader chuck shumer this morning said this morning he supported the proposal from mark warner that democrats refuse to vote on an ...

Not to have to worry about any of other competitors on stage. but to show how he would compete in the general election against her. that's a good strategy. >> i would like that my point is if you're marco rubio or ted cruz, or one of the guys at the back of the pack. would you go, i got the front of the pack. >> that's why today you saw what trump was doing. i love his stuff on hillary clinton. that she's running to avoid jail. that's hilarious. but i like the stuff trump was doing today about the starbucks cup. i think he's playing to win in iowa with the evangelicals who care about the war o...

Point, that it doesn't look like it was anything other than a nasty coincidence. >> and this is happening today and highlighting this issue of is it infrastructure. we know a lot of people have been clamoring on capitol hill between cyber security concerns and infrastructure concerns. it's hard to believe that the new york stock exchange doesn't use the most up to date software. it doesn't feel like that would be pan infrastructure issue. united, on the other hand, we've got plenty of reporting that indicates that could be an infrastructure issue. >> reporter: well, they've both had their comp...

>> right. when republicans talk about repealing obamacare, democrats say, well gee, if you like your health plan will you keep it? it's going to be the mirror image. >> flip it and reverse it. >> that's a long bumper sticker. >> that's a challenge for republican candidates to have to talk about the law is you know when you ask people do you like obamacare? it's still unpopular and say boo obamacare. they have to explain -- >> good talking point. >> what will happen if they do something to obamacare, that's challenging. >> how do they repeal it? say that we get -- >> i have no idea. >> i don't ...

On. we've always had this concept of grand jury secrecy in the united states. to ensure grand jurors can testify in a -- hear testimony, that their testimony will be preserve skbld well, the testimony isn't secret phenomenon. the testimony of the transcripts were released. >> but there's a law in missouri that says if you err a grand juror and you talk about evidence that you've heard and the vote of the grand jury it's a crime. so what do we do? put the law in a wheel barrel and wheel it out the door because tv wants to know? i mean mel -- >> we've been arguing about this for a day. mel thing...