Out there to make me think we got out of the first dip, that we're still in a bad way. >> well, at the worst, when we were going through that, the industry level got to 10.6 million vehicles. we have never seen that kind of level. and right now, with the first half performance, we see 11 1/2 to 12 million for the year. that growing steadily next year. so everything we see right now, it's slower than normal recovery but steady. >> neil: when toyota was staggering after the brake and steering well issue, did you ever kick its tires and say, hey, may be worth buying? >> in toyota's case, we learn...