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To his time in the house of representatives? have you seen a change? >> no. i actually think he's been pretty consistent. he was very deliberate when he was in sacramento about building relationships. he was well thought of. very friendly guy, well lyinged. he systematically built relationships in sacramento and he did the same in washington, d.c. so i think he has been consistent. however, the politics in d.c. are so extreme, i definitely see him as more conservative than he was in california. but i think he had to be that way, especially serving in the role as whip. >> what's interesting is ...