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It. but even acknowledging that, he's giving us a window to the idea that there have been discussions. >> it's not outlandish when there are suggestions the president has talked about this. however, don mcgahn showed resistance to pardoning manafort. i don't know what the rules are, what don mcgahn would have had to do about this, because he has said the president does what he wants to do. i wonder how that plays into the whole matter. >> we heard as well mcgahn was suggesting that was a bad idea, and he is one of the few white house figures, senior aides, who has shown some willingness to sta...

Said the president does what he wants to do. i wonder how that plays into the whole matter. >> we heard as well mcgahn was suggesting that was a bad idea, and he is one of the few white house figures, senior aides, who has shown some willingness to stand up to president trump, suggesting that there was talk sometime last year where the president was really on a tirade about the mueller investigation, that mcgahn was one of the people in there who said, look, you can't mess with this right now, it needs to run its course. today's news that he's leaving is not an entire shock. we've heard for a ...

To do about this, because he has said the president does what he wants to do. i wonder how that plays into the whole matter. >> we heard as well mcgahn was suggesting that was a bad idea, and he is one of the few white house figures, senior aides, who has shown some willingness to stand up to president trump, suggesting that there was talk sometime last year where the president was really on a tirade about the mueller investigation, that mcgahn was one of the people in there who said, look, you can't mess with this right now, it needs to run its course. today's news that he's leaving is not an...