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Contracting out. these weren't agents. these were government contractors. the case of the two psychologists, richly rewarded for reverse engineering the siri program. we talked about this report in the u.s. if i was advising the people identified in the report, my advice would be vacation domestically because here at home, the president can choose the look forward not back approach but these crimes had universal jurisdiction. they're war crimes and anywhere outside of the u.s. is not obliged to follow our lead. >> it is shocking, jeff, quickly, if you read this and envision nazis doing this or...

Really anything in it that surprised me. i think for the public, just the scope and the pervasiveness of the program probably was a bit breathtaking. i think one thing that did surprise me, that you mentioned, is the contracting out. the extent to which these weren't agents. these were government contractors doing this for profit. and in the case of the two psychologists, richly rewarded for reverse engineering the siri program. we talked about this report here in the u.s. if i was advising the people that are identified in the report, my advice would be vacation domestically. because here at ...