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Encourage the eastern and the southern parts to lean in their direction, then what you're going to find is an effective split within the country itself. >> do you think the split could be institutionalized? we could have an east germany/west germany situation? >> it is conceivable that could happen. what the leaders of the southern and eastern parts of the ukraine have stated in the last 24 hours is they do not want a formal break. they believe that somehow they may end up being in charge of the western part of the ukraine as well. the west clearly does not buy that. so you have a collision be...