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The fruits of a capitalist system. what they have not allowed the chinese people at all is any degree of political freedom, any real ability to freely express themselves, to express dissent against the ruling party. are you telling me that that total disconnect between economic freedom and political, intellectual freedom is sustainable for the long term? first of all, stephen, allow me to disagree with your analysis. first of all, i think the system in china works for china today under the chinese circumstances. secondly... but, mr gao, it only works if you're prepared to see all of those who ...

Up, repressed, surveilled, robbed of what we in the west call basic human rights. allow me to disagree with you again — why? because i would say any society everywhere in the world today has some taboo list. it may differ from one country to another, but don't tell me that there is any country that you have freedom of speech in absolute terms rather than conditional terms, where you have freedom of expression without any conditions to it. no. i would say freedom or human rights all exist not in a vacuum, but relative to rights and obligations. in china, we have our own freedom. we have our o...

Secondly... but, mr gao, it only works if you're prepared to see all of those who dissent locked up, repressed, surveilled, robbed of what we in the west call basic human rights. allow me to disagree with you again — why? because i would say any society everywhere in the world today has some taboo list. it may differ from one country to another, but don't tell me that there is any country that you have freedom of speech in absolute terms rather than conditional terms, where you have freedom of expression without any conditions to it. no. i would say freedom or human rights all exist not in a...