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Don't like it. so if you don't even need to use the words war or invasion which are, you know, criminal -- howard: even if it's implied. yeah. in the minute that we have left, the bbc interviewed a number of people, that big pro-war putin rally the other day who said they were either paid or forced to attended the, students were told to take the day off and come. what does that tell us, to the extent you can piece it together, about actual support for the ukraine invasion this russia -- in russia given that it's already killed by western estimates, you know, 7,000 or so russian soldiers? >> re...

Regime. they want to be prosperous in a way. thal tes -- thal tesh tough doesn't -- the alternative doesn't bear contemplation. juror * there is concern it would follow the path of east and west germany and you are suggesting it would be more difficult than that. >> absolutely. before the collapse of the berlin wall, western estimates of the cost of absorption of east germany into west germany were grossly underestimated. and that was actually fiscally a disaster for west ter d west