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Cry crisis. a crisis over the government shut down, a crisis over the debt ceiling which could bring our credit rating again at stake. the country is bankrupt. it doesn't know what to do about that. yet we are still talking about going into places we cannot know and cannot control in ways we did before that cost us and bankrupted us in the first place. and that's a useful reality check. >> can we just talk about the rapper again? >> andrew is wrong. we're not talking about going into any country. and we do have to think about -- and i butchered lanny davis's title. he was president clinton's s...

Stake. the country is bankrupt. it doesn't know what to do about that. yet we are still talking about going into places we cannot know and cannot control in ways we did before that cost us and bankrupted us in the first place. and that's a useful reality check. >> can we just talk about the rapper again? >> andrew is wrong. we're not talking about going into any country. and we do have to think about -- and i butchered lanny davis's title. he was president clinton's special counsel. he said to me tonight and he wrote a very powerful article that the president has been apologizing for years and...

>> the other thing that is important to bring up, you talk to so many people in the military. they say don't debate on whether iraq or afghanistan is the right war, know that the people we are fighting want to kill us. when we stop fighting them there, they come here. and slowly we stop fighting them there and they come here. >> i do talk to a lot of military sources and i have since the war on terror began. and it is extremely frustrating because they're putting their lives on the line on the front line. and ewhether it's a british government or our government or western civilization, what's ...

In islam. that it is a -- let me get fred's point on this the fact we exist is the reason why they're motivated to terror. what about that point? >> i think that is exactly right. this is a cultural war. it is a cultural war against democracy, against western values of the, against u.s. media, against u.s. movies, against u.s. conceptions of women's rights. what is ironic about this, that they are using western technology to promote this radical ideology to recruit the disowe pest -- dispossessed and disgruntled to commit acts of terrorism in the west. jenna: you don't think our actions in the...

People from where they were to a future that she as a leader would help to define. she was a staunch ally of western values and of course of the united states. she had a special relationship with american presidents, especially president reagan. and she was a powerful leader and a warm human being. >> the soviet journalists gave her the nickname the iron lady, which i understand that she liked very much. i'm curious, in private, is that the way you would describe her? >> well, i would not want to be between margaret thatcher and some objective she thought important. she was a very strong perso...