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You say russia did not meddle in the u.s. election? >> i think it's far less important the posture of who believes you w.h.ho and the puffing. if we're able to establish more security in syria, for example, so that there's not a refugee crisis that imperils europe. there are security agreements and arrangements we can make to box in north korea to denuclearization. i'm more interested in those outcomes than in whether or not the president wants to sit there and call vladimir putin a liar. we know he's a liar. the president knows he's a liar. >> i wouldn't know how you would know that because i...

Is thistelion dollars over ten years. but toby, you say if this is the best we can do, we all nelem to brace ourselves for big trouble? >> well, it's basically baici whptcou, and here is wh ho brenda. >> we, to pay our debt service right now. we have the lowest interest rates we've had really in 50 years. if we were to go to the rest of the worth o and say all we can do is cut a trillion dollars over the next ten ppears, what wstel hw pen our interest rates for a bond would double and probably tripple and say we're insolvent and interest rate debt would go up about 5 trillion dollars over the ...