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Then after the meeting with putin. it was very simple but it was profoundly true. he said we have bad relations today because both sides are to blame. and i think that's what underlies their fury at him. he has become a heretic in the american policy system. he has challenged the fundamental axiom of american foreign policy for 25 years. >> tucker: it's stupid. what's true in foreign relations is true in marriage, it's always a joint effort to screw something up. [laughter] it is true, actually. >> and i'm not going there no matter what you say. >> tucker: give us a sense of the consequences o...