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some documents or people pack documents and he has them in a storag and thee room, even ifi talks about those documents or talks about the existence of them, that is light years away from that, from the specific intentthems aw that they need fo espionage case. >> jim, what's the president's mood tonight? i know he knew this was coming, but give us a sense of whatgi the man's feeling tonighvet. >> you know, it's an interesting mix, laura. >> ys an int that, ink you know, when you're accused of somethingou are, it's pretty natural, at least from my client base, to really turn inward. right. you knowle client bto tur, you're like, whg the heck? how is this happening? it's a particularly hard moment when parti innocent and he's actually innocent. you know, it's a little easier when you'vs actuale something w. you got. they finally caught up with me. that's not what we'rlly cauge a. so there is that kind of initial shock. i think he's got a lot of people around him expressing support, and that's a mixed bag. it kind ofng suppo. it in your head as a very depressing notion. but he also doesn' at lose track of the absolute crossing of o the rubicon as country. >> yeah, the historic nature of a sitting president unleashings

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correspond and jim says thatrred trump doesn't have a defense in that this legal strategy that he has, guess that wil you're leading will just focus on discrediting the do j. >> watch this. trump's lawyers are really not keen on arguing the facts hereer or the law and are arguing that their client is is not guilty of these potential charges, but arey're more concernedf these with arguing about how the doj played hardball. and look, they did plaj y in ths case and we'll just have to see whether the justice department did anything wrong in the proces.to see ws of prosecus case. >> jim, the argument that you won't actually argue the charges, you're just going to argue the reputatio the cha h the department itself? >> no, i mean, look, this waso e basically trying to appeal thatn thaty in that chaibo pretorian guard for the democratic party to have a conscienced. ence. >> you know, the attorney general is hiding behind the special counsel. he still control general hinds as specialhere and counsel, but he sat there and hid, didn't want to meet ant

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hounds to go after a non-criminal eventically to basically incapacitate the opposition. it is an astoundinate thg third world moment. and again, that's not th schtick. as attorney to go around saying that in cases, but that's where we are as a is countrwhe y and you know, the ob people that are celebrating tonight better realize that they're lettinraght bettze theyf the genie bottle that's going to hurt this country for generations. genera >> well, and the investigations can be turned on them and will be turned on thetim if this is allowed to stand. jim, we appreciate it. obviously, we'reo covering evey aspect of this. >> thank you very much. now joining me now is mike davivery mucs, three founder and president, as well as david schoen, of course, formeunder ar trump lawyer. david, let's start with you. chment l it seems pretty clear what's going on here. they're they're going to endon n making this about obstruction instead of the retention of these documents so they can try to draw a distinction betweenn h what biden did and what trump did. >> do you with that analysis?

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>> we still don't know what was in near the corvette. right. mirandnear theorvette.a the dura which again, going back to the republican reaction to all of this, when they couldn't, he concluded, i know peoplef are do disappointed with the ultimate result, but they concluded that the fb the ulti failed to uphols mission and that 2016 harassment of president trump. >> republicans. what? what are they thinking about with funding of these theseg intelligence agencies and doj agencies that are being turned against the american people here? i mean, are we just going to keep fundin here?g this, you know, until till the cows come home? >> well, look, i think jim jordan has mentioned, for instance, what hink jim the republicans. i mean, they don't have enormous power in this regard. buet have et do have the power e the purse. and yeah, the idea that the fbi is going to build a new headquarters, that many millions of dollars is just offa the table. i think as far as the houseas frepublicrepublicans go, and i. job, the next f

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fund. >> so tonight, more than t ever, we need gop officeholderswould- and would be office holders to speak up and to speak outbeas as soon as possible. this indictment will be an embarrassing to the countrynd and should be dismissed immediately before any more damagld be is done. >> joining me now, jim trusty, attorney for president trumpus and former federal prosecutor. jim, thank you for joiningt. tonight. what can you tell us aboutl the charges as you know, them? . well, we don't have the actualil indictment yet. i suppose they'll give that to ul gives at some point betwed and tuesday afternoon. maybe they're too embarrassed to give it to us early. i don't know. but it's a combination of theoretical. t have again, we just have a summary. we don't have the indictment in front of us, but it looks like don't hit loo the espionage act, which is kind of laughable on ite thst several types of obstructionface and conspiracy, then falsestatem statement. so they're kind of throwing everything and the kitchen sinek on the wall in an investigation

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and by the way, laura, one quick point on this. sure. the referral from the national archives to doj came fromes t the white housee hous actually violating the administrative procedures act. actually violating tt. they s this they're the ones that started this thing. the the politicized bureaucrats at nara, the archivist, were happy to push it forward and into this pretorian guard of doj who's bent on prosecuting them no matter how many rules they break. >> one of the one of the claimrs believe one of the counts will involve potential obstruction justice, which, as you know in my old careery ol as ad as white collar criminal defense attorney, jim was considered very seriously alongy with conspiracy counts s, whicht perhaps will be involved in this indictment as well, listed in the indictment that aat is ra the concern that is raised that if if the president was told not to move boxes and they have evenone on video indeed moving boxes, even if there was nothing in the boxess noth, thoe particular basket boxes, that

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k how we are we we softened a little misdemeanor tax plea for softens hunter ande indicted the president for some cyber criminals. >> that's that's facially absurd. now on the new york times just"t reportedhe n tonight, jim, thate one of the charges is, in fact, a violatiocharges n of the espie act. now, your reaction to that if that is indeed the case? ? yeah, i mean, look, they're dusting off stuff that, you know>> yeah,stuff ac, the bs apparently not in play when wh, you know, bleach bit had 30,000 emails that were under subpoena. but the espionage act includes a whole bunch of language that not justact inclnch of l that ts implicate national defense, bu t that your intent is to violate the sovereignty of the united states, to hurt the united states or to help a foreign powe r. t that's absurd under any theorys of this case. and they've got a whole bunch ofcasee rotating theories becat they can't find the facts they want. bus because t there's absolutell remotely like that. you know, if he holdutgs on toor

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