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This money to influence the election. in the trump case we had two witnesses now saying that. michael cohen and david pecker. mark's got a point. if donald trump wasn't the president, if he was just donald trump the businessman, he wouldn't be under all this scrutiny and there's a relentless momentum when you have a special counsel who has one case and one target essentially. he's also the president of the united states. we hold him to a higher standard. and he hasn't released his tax return. the first president in modern history to have a lack of transparency. he has massive conflicts of inte...

Approval, by the way. in the cohen court documents they describe a meeting between donald trump and michael cohen about approaching the russian government. so that clearly contradicts what trump is saying about, i didn't have any dealings with russia. >> joyce vance, can you weigh in on the significance of this from a legal perspective, if we do know the president lied about this during the election? >> i think ken makes a really important point when he talks about the john edwards case and reminds us it was a jury that ultimately decided john edwards hadn't violated campaign finance law. here...

Global settlement, global plea deal for him. just based on the publicly known information. there's good reason to believe that there are criminal charges against the president ranging from campaign finance to obstruction. we haven't seen all of the information about the foundation and inauguration yet but that looks problematic as well. and so the president's repeated cries of witch hunt or they're out to get me. at some point that wears very thin as layer upon layer of wrongdoing and misconduct is weighted down by the president's changing stories, his constantly shifting stories, which is suc...

That. but that's not something that this moment, as you and i are talking, that i'm focused on. at some point, maybe. >> do you think that president trump should be primaried? >> i do think that we've got to remember what the republican party is. >> that's not a yes or no answer. >> so i don't know that -- i want to get away from here and think about it. this isn't an everyday in the hallway question. i want to get away from here and think about that. what is happening right now is not the standard republicanism that we've had in our country for many, many years. and it's very different. so is...

They describe a meeting between donald trump and michael cohen about approaching the russian government. so that clearly contradicts what trump is saying about, i didn't have any dealings with russia. >> joyce vance, can you weigh in on the significance of this from a legal perspective, if we do know the president lied about this during the election? >> i think ken makes a really important point when he talks about the john edwards case and reminds us it was a jury that ultimately decided john edwards hadn't violated campaign finance law. here the jury is maybe not a jury inside of a courtroom...