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That, but it was a formula that i think worked very well post-9/11. again, given the tremendous mismatch we have in investigative resources, vis-a-vis the agencies, and vis-a-vis the size of the issues here, because we still have a day job in the intelligence committee of overseeing these massive agencies, it would help be a force multiplier if we did this jointly. the i'm sorry, the other part of your question? [ inaudible ] >> giving you the information? you mentioned it several times here. you haven't gotten anything. you've asked. >> the chairman and i are requesting the director come and ...

But i don't think at this stage we ought to exclude anyone or any issue. and, you know, at this point in the investigation, we are, as i said, still in the phase of gathering documents, or actually ying to get personal custody of the documents in the hipsi. we're also in the process of delivering preliminary witness lists on these basket of issues. we need to follow the evidence wherever it leads. if it leads to those particular u.s. persons, we'll want to subpoena them to come to committee. >> why hasn't the fbi given up the information to you yet? secondly, have you asked the senate if they ...

Our election, haven't provided anything that lead me to believe or should lead to you believe, and i continue to see reports coming from different media sources saying when theyhecked in with law enforcement or intelligence community sources there's nothing more than priously reported over and over again. so, at some point you do have to ask yourself, what are you actually looking for? how many times do you have to come to the same conclusion before you take the answer? and that's -- that's what i would -- mara? >> just to be clear, did you -- just to follow up on that, did you personally reac...

I talked about this extensively in the past. i think if you'll allow me once we get done with the briefing, i'll follow up with the counsel's office -- >> what some of us are trying to understand. if you have a new executive order you believe addresses the concerns of the many courts who have weighed in on this, why continue to defend an executive order -- >> because i think he's -- because we were right the first time. and i think that -- no, no, i think it's not a question of proving a point. it's that the manner in which it was done in the first place was what we believe and continue to bel...

So i don't think members of our committee ought to be discussing those allegations with the administration. >> you don't think it's been compromised yet? >> look, the chairman and i have had, i think, an important working relationship we both want to keep intact. i've expressed concern to the chair about these issues. i'll continue to do so whenever i feel it important to do so, but i still to want do everything in my power to make sure that we do a thorough and objective investigation. and if i get to the point where i can conclude that's just not possible, i'll be vocal about it. but at this...