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Introduce evidence that would speak to the contrary. so judge nelson gave the attorneys some time to introduce some case law. we expect that she may rule on that tomorrow. but we just -- we know at this point that attorneys will continue those arguments at 8:30 before the jury is brought back in after. >> that's great reporting. thanks, craig. we'll be back to you again and again. joining me now is veteran prosecutor and former san francisco da paul henderson, there he is, and defense attorney karen de soto, both of you. let's take a look at trial testimony before we get into this general co...

>> because they have to think about their party also. and they don't want -- they shouldn't become a remnant party the way they are in europe. they want to -- >> so sacrifice themselves politically at home. >> basic point that karl rove made, basic point that karl rove made, which was an excellent point is to win with white votes, republican candidate in a presidential election would have to carry the white vote by the same margin as -- listen, just -- can i just finish the point? same margin as ronald reagan won when he carried 49 states. which nominee can get that? none of them. >> let me as...

He was in danger of the gravest >> right. >> now we are getting testimony that doesn't seem to be challenged yet that there was a fight, a physical brawl. he was on a sidewalk. apparently agreed to that at some point. his head was hitting the sidewalk then the question is how many times does your head hit the sidewalk before you wonder if you are getting grievous bodily harm or not. are with we there or is that not stipulated at this point? >> right. >> are we that close to what is a margin call here, what is a judgment call? what? >> there is one point, the self-defense is by preponderance of...

Mission, that at the end of the day there was probably no way he was going to get away with this and in that way have a life free. >> how did he presume this? >> how did who? >> the suicide theory. >> someone involved in getting the stories out. it kind of makes sense. at some point -- >> but it's not a suicide. he is in the -- he is in moscow national airport. >> well, not suicide losing your life physically, but basically, you lose any prospect of a future life living in a happy, secured way. i think he probably knew at the end of the day, snowden probably knew that he was not going to get a...

Trial attorney, what comes down to it, relevant or not, as they good on decided by the jury whether relevant or not, we go to the question of self-defense. that's the defense. and whether the defendant here in this case, george zimmerman, believed at the time he made that decision to draw and shoot his gun that he was in danger of gravest bodily harm. >> right. >> now we are getting testimony that doesn't seem to be challenged yet that there was a fight, a physical brawl. he was on a sidewalk. apparently agreed to that at some point. his head was hitting the sidewalk then the question is how m...