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Mr. simpson is the co-chair of the debt commission, the debt commission is basically a lame duck commission that makes recommendations to congress and congress is going to go, no, that doesn't sound too good, it is a colossal waste of time, and, anyone can say, whatever they want out of the commission. it's not going anywhere. >> they will not do anything, because, already in the senate they will put a group together like in the early '80s, and would have a single vote, yes or no and would be able to make change and the republicans ran from it and the democrats ran from it. they raised payroll...

Cuts and built a surplus of a billion dollars, jonas. it absolutely can be done and they refuse taking a stimulus money as well. >> well, some of the issue, eric is not so much -- it's not so much it's hurting the students. it's not so much the teachers. it's the unions who will not cut the pension. >> ever. ever. >> the unions won't cut. they won't play ball. look at uaw, they said -- they didn't help at all! it's the unions but more importantly, along with what tobin said, when you teach someone to continue to use crack and allow them to using saying we're going to try this austerity, we'll ...