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In 2008 and 2010. we know this: it's pretty big. >> we have four more hours to vote out there. you make a case. why is it important to you, and i know this is things you care about, you care about collective bargaining, the middle class, and in this case the public sector employees picked on by this governor. whatever they decide, how important is this election? >> well, i think you can track over the years union membership and wages along with the rest of the middle class in this country. a rising tide lifts all boats, as basic as that is. if you deplete union membership, you'll be depressing...

What is happening in our schools to our workers and to people here in wisconsin is what concerns people. >> molly, i wonder if it will have a trickle down effect specifically about ohio, both sides desperately want to win. how much does labor matter these days? you can argue the influence has been eroding since mondale. >> one of the effects to collective bargaining is the population in unions in wisconsin has declined by quite a bit. i think on the left there is a fear that if walker prevails, governors will feel emboldened to even feel the same agenda and weaken lab error in their state. >> ...

Least 7-1. secondly, there is an enormous amount of fatigue after 15 months of this campaign by organized labor. and third, if you look at the polling, while many people don't like what walker has done, particularly with the public unions. they're not ready to go through an impeachment mechanism. so there's no real, you cannot really extrapolate what's happening in the race next tuesday to what's happening in the presidential. >> okay. bill clinton, i just mentioned him. let's take a listen to some of what he said today. listen to president clinton. >> you need a budget from the next governor ...

Where it is. >> okay. >> okay. let's get right to our panel now. we're joined now live from washington by julian epstein, also from washington, we're join by judson phillips, associate director of the tee.net. let's talk about wisconsin and the recall election. a very spirited debate last night between governor walker and milwaukee mayor tom barrett. bill clinton appeared in milwaukee today. lots of outside interests, as you know. lots of money, too. is this a preview of the presidential election that we've been led to believe it is? >> it is quite the opposite, as you know. walker has about a...

Wisconsin. good to have you with us tonight. more bad news for wisconsin. 6200 jobs lost in april. answer to what walker is saying in that commercial. he says he has a positive jobs record. >> he's cooking the books, ed, no question. these are figures he drempt up 30 days before this election. for decades, this state like every other state, the media have used the bureau of labor statistics. and scott walker knows he cannot defend his record. they lost more jobs in 2011 than any job in this entire country. he is desperately trying to do anything he can 18 days before this election to change th...