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That's what this is about. he is being disingenuous about it. >> bill: monica, am i wrong here? what walker wants is a vote. he wants a vote so that he becomes more powerful than the union, he, the governor, and the ledge later becomes more powerful than the union and they can bring state costs down. that's what it is about. >> he wants a vote. it's called democracy. it's what he was elected on. and i don't know where alan thinks governor walker is going to get all this money to do -- open up some sort of new negotiation with the unions. there is no money. you know what this is all about, this...

That's what this is about. he is being disingenuous about it. >> bill: monica, am i wrong here? what walker wants is a vote. he wants a vote so that he becomes more powerful than the union, he, the governor, and the ledge later becomes more powerful than the union and they can bring state costs down. that's what it is about. >> he wants a vote. it's called democracy. it's what he was elected on. and i don't know where alan thinks governor walker is going to get all this money to do -- open up some sort of new negotiation with the unions. there is no money. you know what this is all about, this...

Demagogue ick move by a governor who knows that the democratic party subsists to some extent on union contributions. it's their biggest source of money. they want to cut it off at the knees. they see an opportunity here, and they utterly forget the role of unions in helping people in this country. >> but he's also a governor who, by that statistic, knows there's 86% of the people who are not union members, who are looking at where the budget can be balanced. is it a smart political move on his part, rick? >> it's the right thing to do. come on with the employee public unions right now. you mus...

The darkest day in new zeal ard history. here at home, democratic lawmakers in wisconsin are still m.i.a. as they try to stop a vote on the tough budget bill. but governor walker threatened that if democrats don't come home, 1500 state workers could be laid off. tonight, the governor will give a televised speech to tell him about his controversial proposal to cut pensions, benefits and collective bargaining from union workers. this morning he was on "morning joe" so was afocla leader. both were asked about it. >> if i have to choose between a demand of a few union leaders particularly outsid...

Multiyear deals binding the next administration and people to come to unsustainable increases in payments and pensions. >> what you're saying is that it's wrong to fairly and honestly have a negotiation. >> what i'm saying -- what walker is saying, anyway, let's every year renew the contract. year by year. we're not talking about private labor unions by the way. we're only talking about public employee unions. that's an important distinction because as you see many of the -- the private unions are on the sidelines in this battle because they feel like they're paying the taxes and they're sacri...