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The administration was confused. and yet the secretary was really incapable of answering, and her suggestion, you know, her question what does it matter was really, really off base and an indication of just how much this administration doesn't get it. jon: you have said that benghazi, in your view, is symptomatic of the administration's larger policy of retreat. what do you mean by that? >> i think that the problem during the election was that the president wanted to run on the i killed osama bin laden, al-qaeda is on its heels theme. since the election that has become less important, and what...

Packers and as a result own stock in that billion dollar business as opposed to being harvested for their dollars by all these other owners? >> absolutely. the team will never leave. the money goes back to the community. if we can get enough fans and sports fans coalition, we want to do this some day and buy out a team. who's your team? >> i'm a 49ers fan. dates back to my earl days with joe montana. a pleasure. we'll talk to you sooner rather than later. brian frederick talking about the fans and their role in this dispute. coming up on "hardball," chris matthews talking to tom rooney. also...