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Donald trump was saying about ukraine because we know it from the actual memos of the transcript the white house has released. and we think the average person who's not a lawyer can imagine that is compromising. so the idea there are other conversations possibly with rudy giuliani who is like where's waldo, he's in the middle of everything here, we can surmise as rick stengel says, the russians or others have information that our investigators, that congress doesn't even have, that his staff doesn't even have. >> yeah, ali, and let me go to sort hof the gravest threat to national security. in ...

Now, donald trump tweeted tonight that he had only used government-issued cell phones as though that rebutted "the washington post" story. that's false too in the sense that even government-issued cell phones are not secure either. when you think about it, it's not just the russians who are listening in. there's properly a half dozen other nations. and when they know something about what you're saying that your own staff doesn't know, much less congress, that is a security risk. the russians have kompromat on him in that they know he was maneuvering with the ukrainians. that gives them leverag...

Tonight that he had only used government issued cellphones as though that rebutted "the washington post" story. that's false, too, in the sense that even government issued cellphones are not secure either. and when you think about it, it's not just the russians who are listening, and there's probably a half-dozen other nations. and when they know something about what you're saying that your own staff doesn't know much less congress, that is security risk. the russians have kompromat on him in the sense they know he was maneuvering with the ukrainians. they listened to all the ukrainian telepho...

Ended up with a wimper which is, can't we all get along and do some policy? >> there is fascinating, troubling reporting in bloomberg this morning, jackie. bloomberg is reporting that president trump in 2017, in an oval office meeting pressed then-secretary of state rex tillerson to push the justice department to drop a criminal case against an iranian man. this was an iranian gold trader. and this was for violating sanctions part of the iran nuclear agreement. that tillerson immediately objected because he said that would flat out be illegal. apparently talked to john kelly in the corridors o...

Impeachment the scandal surrounding joe biden is not going away. >> if anybody exercised mafia-like tactics to strong-arm the ukrainians it was joe biden. what the purpose of all of that was, i suppose, a subject to some debate. i do know that rudy giuliani feels very strongly that there is not only smoke in the ukraine but fire as well as to what exactly was going on with our where's waldo candidate hunter biden. my sense is joe biden remains the leading contender for the democratic nomination and i have my doubts about whether that will continue because this is going to implode on everybody....