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Young he was. >> obama understood that he needed to surround himself with people who also had more experience and he knew that from president lincoln, who he had idolized. he had called me up and told me he had read "team of rivals", and we have to talk. so he brought me down to washington to talk about how can a man be a good president and a great president. how could a man forget people who had hurt him. and when he reached out to hillary clinton he knew he was putting his chief rival into that most important position, secretary of state, just as lincoln had. >> inauguration day, there was a...

Supremacist by hiring steve bannon. what's your perception? >> we've talked a lot about steve bannon. i'm like look, it is very fair to say that breitbart, his website traffics in anti-semitic stereotypeses, about people of color, bannon has been a geis divisive figure. whether bannon himself holds these views i think is still sort of up for debate. i'm trying to research into it as much as i can. to jennifer palmieri's point, look, they have a point that the trump campaign was very divisive and i think some of the responses that were reported out by kellyanne conway for instance in that same ...

Words you might give. i will say, don, i i this the discussion about whether bannon is an anti-semite or a white supremacist. all of that is off the point. the real question is, what are the ideas in a our leaders advance. and our leaders now are advancing ideas at least with the appointment of steve bannon who advanced the ideas of the alt-right as a part of breitbart are advancing ideas which are destructive. it's hard to say, to look into a man's heart and say exactly what they believe or feel, we'll never know, but it's about the ideas that they advance. one thing is very clear, steve bann...

Being the president of the united states and the cochief of staff. i think they think everyone else needs to come around, they don't need to do anything else. >> that's not usually what works. that's usually not what we ask politicians to do. >> that's one of the real concerns. >> any sort of politician. >> that's where they're setting themselves up for failure, not having that humility, and understanding the gravity of the job that's going to be before them. at some point, a president like trump is going to be in over his head. mr. obama wants to spend time with mr. trump to prepare him. it w...

What would happen if we face a situation with north korea? would trump be too trigger happy and not read the information presented to him to make an informed decision. >> let me ask you really quickly about steve bannon because he's had in the past 48 hours or so even less than that, in the last 24 hours, what seems to be not everyone is saying an apology or krark i characterizing it as an apology. steven miller had viewpoints. once a close bannon ally. is his relationship with the white house completely damaged. are you seeing a way he can make his way back into the fold. >> i think it's perm...