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What he's up against. he's up against his fbi director at the time, serving him at the time, who kept contemporaneous notes, who wrote them down and filed them. in other words, that's all a part of the past record regardless of whether comey was gog to get fired or not. he also has a guy swearing an oath that everything he says is true with tremendous detail about leaving the room through the grandfather clock door and everything else. amazing amount of detail. who was there, who was told to leave the room. it had the smell and look and wording of an actual statement of exact fact. and here th...

People. one of whom today is a stay-at-home dad in northern virginia, the other is president of the united states, yet jonathan, you want to talk about whether comey did right or wrong. who cares? >> now, he's a stay-at-home dad without any power or awareness what is going on? >> let me finish. if he leaked something, who cares? we're talking about the president of the united states in the oval office -- >> yes. >> telling the fbi director to stop investigating his friend -- >> and the ability of that fbi director matters a lot because he's the only guy telling the story. >> it certainly does....

Mention is that if you leak something that deals with national security, that is a crime punishable by ten years behind bars. does the memo deal with national security? we don't really know but one thing is for sure, the subjectw matter is part of the overall investigation into russian interference, which is the national security. >> sean: geraldo, what is your take on 18 usc 4. it'sus important because he thought he was being cute and saying that is bob mueller's job. if he did think he obstructed, then he had the immediate obligation under the law, which he seemed puzzled that when ithe came...

>> we are talking about two people. one of who today is a stay-at-home dad in northern virginia and the other is president of the united states, yet, jonathan, you want to talk about whether comey did right or wrong, who cares? >> let me finish. >> let me finish. if he leaks something. who cares? >> we are talking about the president of the united states in the oval office telling the fbi director to stop investigating his friend. >> and the credibility of that friend matters a lot when he's the only guy telling authority. >> it certainly does. >> a specific criminal intent. >> look -- wait a ...

With national security, that's a crime punishable by ten years behind bars. does the memo deal with national security? we don't really know but one thing is for sure, the subject matter is part of the overall investigation into russian interference, which is the national security. >> sean: geraldo, what is your take on 18 usc 4. it's important because he thought he was being cute and saying that is bob mueller's job. he had the obligation under the law which he seemed puzzled out when he came up in the hearing. oh, yeah, i think i remember it. it was a bizarre moment. i would've thought he wou...