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So there's some pressure on jared kushner and his family. with that added in then, kathleen, does this give you a sense of where the special counsel is going and potentially the playbook that he'll be using against the president? >> it's possible that the special counsel will be examining whether kushner actually has violated while in office the official conflict of interest statute, whether his meetings with the heads of finance companies were motivated not just by doing the government's business, but by doing kushner's business in helping obtain loans for the kushner firm. >> by the way, att...

These facts would be disturbed by them. we shouldn't be having this conversation and the reason we're having this conversation is that the kushners and the trumps haven't adequately separated their business interests from the conduct of foreign policy of the united states. >> jared kushner included. do you think the president, we were having the discussion earlier about him feeling unglued, that he's seeing this happen to his son-in-law and going oh, my, robert mueller is getting closer? >> he certainly sees that. there's debate about whether kushner and ivanka will stay or go. i think they ar...

Jared kushner had a rough week by any standard. the president's son-in-law coming under the scrutiny of robert mueller days after a security clearance was downgraded. mueller is looking into whether kushner's efforts to secure foreign government investment for his business may have influenced white house foreign policy. mueller asking whether president trump was involved in stolen dnc e-mails. joining us now is our panel.

Was. making sense of the dramatic developments of the white house this week and what they signal moving forward. but we begin with the three big stories we're following out of the white house, chief among them nbc news learning what may have prompted president trump to launch a potential trade war, comments which sent the stock market reeling. president trump was angry and, quote, unglued about simmering issues when he imposed tariffs, catching his white house completely off guard. the "washington post" digging into whether anyone had direct knowledge this announcement was on the mohorizon. fo...

New developments in the russia investigation. it would appear special counsel robert mueller's team may be zeroing in on jared kushner. sources tell nbc news federal investigators are looking into whether kushner's business discussions during the presidential transition later shaped white house policies. here to explain the legal ramifications is former u.s. attorney barbara mcquaid, also an msnbc contributor. barba barbara, always good to get into this stuff with you. source say mueller's team is asking witnesses about kushner's family's real estate business. if there is wrongdoing here, what...