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To approach it in a different way. one that brings people together constructively. here's an opportunity to put side by side traditional medicare, which its marketplace clout and it's been very popular with progressive folks. and then say it should go up head to head with those who favored choice and competition, and i think the two hold each other accountable. >> what is the greatest barrier -- let me put it this way. there have been clear barriers to your efforts to do this. one of them is the stranglehold of the private insurance monopoly, which doesn't want to deal with the competition. an...

Handled at the state level by your office and by other attorneys general at the state level and not as a federal matter by the department of justice? >> well, look, rachel, in fairness to our federal partners, tom miller is leading an investigation with lisa madigan in illinois on the vfrg aspects of this that have worked hand in glove with tom perelli at the department of justice and secretary donovan at hud and others. so there are a lot of folks doing a lot of hard work on this. the issue as it relates to the criminality of this that eric and i have talked about and you talked about in your...

Tell suckers everywhere to buy your stupid stock. the wall street firm gets whatever business that lousy company wants to kick back to wall street. the company gets people to buy its lousy stock. and the people who get stuck paying the bill is like your uncle jim, the toll taker in cleveland and his pension fund that he thought they'd invest this year with all those smart young guys on wall street. it was a total scam. and wall street was so confident they were never going to get caught for it that they would openly talk about these scams they were pulling in company e-mails. eliot spitzer was...

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Matter by the department of justice? >> well, look, rachel, in fairness to our federal partners, tom miller is leading an investigation with lisa madigan in illinois on the vfrg aspects of this that have worked hand in glove with tom perelli at the department of justice and secretary donovan at hud and others. so there are a lot of folks doing a lot of hard work on this. the issue as it relates to the criminality of this that eric and i have talked about and you talked about in your intro, these are hard cases to make from a criminal perspective. anytime you have lawyers and accountants blessi...