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That also include getting rid of rod rosenstein, which trump has been rumored to want to do. and he told me, and this is another quote, you have to get rid of rosenstein, maybe mueller too, and ty cobb, the president's lawyer. he said, we need to get this into the political process and move it away from a fight over michael cohen. so i think, anderson, what's going on here is that trump wants people who are going to fight for him. bannon knows this. and he's trying to signal by going public with this, that he's going to be one of those people, if trump wants to allow him back into his good gra...

Talking about mueller, the constitution of the mueller office. that individual you're seeing right there, a former giuliani law partner, someone who donated to the campaign that is an individual who signed off. his office signed off on this raid, right? >> i would have to think he would be aware of the raid, yes, as the u.s. attorney. you know, what's interesting to me about this is keep in mind the context of the president's ire and frustration. for more than a year, he has believed that this probe, which mueller inherited an fbi investigation that was looking at russian interference. and the...

Talking about mueller, the constitution of the mueller office. that individual you're seeing right there, a former giuliani law partner, someone who donated to the campaign that is an individual who signed off. his office signed off on this raid, right? >> i would have to think he would be aware of the raid, yes, as the u.s. attorney. you know, what's interesting to me about this is keep in mind the context of the president's ire and frustration. for more than a year, he has believed that this probe, which mueller inherited an fbi investigation that was looking at russian interference. and the...

Investigation. one of them, oleg deripaska is of interest because he had invested in what paul manafort and rick gates had put together ten years ago. deripaska is suing them because that fell apart. also during the campaign, two weeks before trump won the republican nomination, through an intermediary, manafort reach ed out to deripaska, wanting to know if he wanted a private briefing. we also know rick gates was the vice chair of trump's inaugurati inauguration. he has pled guilty and is cooperating with the investigation, an avenue through which mueller can look at this. one thing we know m...

The idea of pardons for michael flynn and paul manafort. these discussions came right when bob mueller was building cases against those two critical trump aids and it's not the first time that donald trump has talked with people interested in mueller. and that was part of the larger question about whether trump was playing fast and loose and potentially on instructing the probe, was met with the statement from the man who actually wrote the rules for the special counsel. >> it looks so bad, and basically you've got trump acting like a two-bit criminal here. i represented bin laden's driver and...