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As joyce vance, that's former federal prosecutors and margaret love who was the former doj pardon pardoned. so we are indebted to what looks like an all-star panel. i mean this would shock any law school, quite frankly. ronado, first and for most, what does it tell you what does it mean that john dowd was reportedly talking pardons before people flipped. >> it suggests to me that he was trying to persuade them from flipping. and they did it in a clever way, they had dowd be the one to communicate with them, so president trump's fingerprints are not on it. you saw how president trump himself is...

Things, involved in this operation, project cassandra, are these adjuncts of this investigation? >> don't expect robert mueller to prosecute his longtime friend, james comey, or anybody within the fbi, of which mueller used to be a director. this requires a second special counsel. if it turns out that people, for political reasons, senior management in the fbi, to some extent, the department of justice, fixed it so that hillary clinton was absolved, and then went after donald trump targeting him as the so-called insurance policy launching a fraudulent investigation against him, all of that wou...

Yesterday about e-mails that mueller's team obtained, the president's lawyer says, unlawfully, which mueller's team denies. >> not looking good. it's not looking good. it's quite sad to see that. my people were very upset about it. i can't imagine there's anything on them, frankly, because as we said, there's no collusion. there's no collusion whatsoever. but a lot of lawyers thought that was pretty sad. >> [ inaudible ]? >> no, i'm not. >> more on those e-mails later in the program. as to the last part, not planning to fire mueller, one source predicts if the president doesn't get this exoner...

President trump himself not known to be an e-mail that his inner circle say tens of thousands of messages between the election and inauguration and those are the ones who special counsel obtained without telling them. back to you in new york. train to peter, thanks a lot. one of those instances where you know the trumps team feels like the process has been rigged against them and if you feel like these e-mails have been obtained not through the normal process come away with a obtained that way it's supposed to the way they should be? rachel: we should back up and understand what the team is. i...

Were tainted, some sort of edict seems to have gone out around the time of thanksgiving where the conservative outlets and members of congress kind of fired up the jets to go after mueller. and the big question, brian, is what exactly is the goal here? is it to lay the ground work for president trump to potentially fire mueller, or is this an attempt to create almost to taint the jury pool? to create a political climate in which mueller's report, if he writes one as you know there's no guarantee he will submit one to congress -- >> that it would be born tainted. >> if he submits it to congress...