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Conservatives, heidi, are just using this as another whipping post to beat down the obama administration or anybody on the left who might support the principles of freedom of speech, freedom of religion in this country. >> we support freedom of speech. i go back eight years ago, could you imagine having this happen. here we are nine years out for 9/11 and everybody's acting like it's not a big deal. >> heidi, you're assuming that there's no way this would have happened eight years ago. we don't know that. >> no, we don't. i'm assuming. >> we don't know that at all. >> i think that's what would...

Important debate should be celebrated but we have to have some ground rules and we need a media that helps enforce those. >> in the context of this you mentioned race has been front and center in our politics and in our discourse this week and often that can get divisive and get ugly. you mentioned at the top of the program a democratic senator from virginia adding his voice to this debate today, jim webb. with this op-ed in "the wall street journal" about affirmative action. he says 40 years ago as the united states experienced the civil rights movement the supposed dominance served as the wh...

To this list. we're up to 4 million americans right now that don't have anything. so, what the senator is going to do is extend the unemployment benefits for some and still americans out there who have nothing and the republicans refuse to address that and, of course, we'll need, obviously, some help to get that thing going to help those americans, but that lady, that piece of tape -- >> beth clark. >> well, you could see the anguish, you can sense the anguish of millions of americans who never thought that they were going to be in this position and when the republicans doing it, they're using...

This in 80 years in this country. in the 99 years you're talking about are going to be a problem for the democrats if they don't address that issue, as well. so, i think the republicans are terribly disengenwise about this. they are using this as a political whipping post to beat the president and his agenda. i would like the senator to explain and call and give back that 76% increase in profits they had in the last quarter. this economy is turning around and they're in denial and the fact is they just admitted to you that we haven't spent all the stimulus money. we're headed in the right dire...

Reform. it's the stimulus package, the jobs package, unemployment benefits. you name it. again, i don't mean to make you the whipping post. when are the democrats going to wake up and realize you get no help from them whatsoever? >> let me tell you, it is particularly outrageous the republicans have voted twice in the last two days to say they want closed-room conversations. that they are afraid to put their proposals before the american people in public, on the floor of the senate and hold votes on it. i think anything that's done that they are saying it, we are afraid to show the public, isn...