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Policy, is that really whistle-blowering? either way, if it's this person's opinion that he thought it was illegal and he was blowing the whistle on something illegal, that's his opinion and we need him to come forward. otherwise we're going to hear other opinions. >> if you're outing the whistle-blower, who will be the next whistle-blower? what about the chilling effect of this? >> i think the whistle-blower acts were to protect you from being fired. we should change the statute. i've offered a bill to expand the whistle-blower statute to be retro akive to include all contractors for governme...

Questioned the whistle-blower's credibility. and asked why the inspector general would allow this to happen, calling it a quote giant scam. a letter obtained by nbc news by michael horowitz and other inspectors general, across the government, repudiates the opinion by the d.o.j.'s office of legal counsel. which said that the whistle-blower's complaint did not have to be turned over to the intelligence committees, because it was not a quote urgent concern as defined by law. in the letter backing the argument made by congressional democrats, the justice department had no right to substitute its ...

In from the deep state also with secondhand info. "the new york times" reporting saturday the second official is a member of the intelligence community and has more direct information on trump's ukraine dealings. joining me now to discuss this is tom mueller, author of crisis of conscience. whistle-blowering in an age of fraud. >> thank you, jo. >> the second person does come forward, do you think that this was propelled specifically by the first whistle-blower here? >> very definitely. many of the stories i tell in my book, an initial person stepping forward gives permission to others to say ...

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