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Created the white collar equivalent of the gambino crime family. that's what my book's about. whether it's true or not, he says it's not and we have to be real key here. if he is the head of the crime family, you have to point out, he has not been charged. >> i'm speaking now as a former white collar criminal defense attorney and prosecutors say a lot of stuff. the government will come forward and charge people with 50 count indictments, they'll claim there's $200 million corporate -- and then by the whole time the whole thing unravels, oftentimes, it's not there. i think we have to be careful...

Department, steve cohen has created the white collar equivalent of the gambino crime family. that's what my book's about. whether it's true or not, he says it's not and we have to be real key here. if he is the head of the crime family, you have to point out, he has not been charged. >> i'm speaking now as a former white collar criminal defense attorney and prosecutors say a lot of stuff. the government will come forward and charge people with 50 count indictments, they'll claim there's $200 million corporate -- and then by the whole time the whole thing unravels, oftentimes, it's not there. i...