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Them on. and i'm not really part of it. but i always think that a distrust of the government is the healthiest thing that americans can have. i think the country has built the most american thing you can have is the distrust of leaders. don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters. >> i don't completely share the same opinion with ben. i -- i feel like the tea party group in particular isn't really -- i mean they can sort of mask themselves as saying it's about taxes and about all the other issues, but i find it to be sort of this upper middle class white run organization that's not really ...

With them on and i'm not really part of it. i always think a distrust of the government is the healthiest thing americans can have. the country was built, the most american thing you can have is a distrust of leaders. don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters. >> larry: rachel? >> i don't completely share the same opinion with penn. i feel like the tea party group in particular isn't really, i mean they can mask themselves saying it is about taxes and all these other issues but i really find it to be sort of this upper middle class white run organization that's not really about effecting...