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Ability to divide african-americans -- >> you do think you're going to divide african-americans on this? on the issue itself but in the presidential race? >> they're not going to vote against barack obama. the reality is -- >> they do have to vote and they have to be excited and i think every time we come to the presidential, there's always this linchpin issue that you use to confuse voters. it enough of a confusion, especially in conservative states where you have conservative christians that die hard support president obama. but this can be used as a tool to not make them excited about it. >...