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Because there was an ongoing investigation and there was during the obama administration, the idea that susan rice knows something about this, there's actually no proof of it, so the idea that -- i understand the politics of wanting her to sort of testify. but in terms of substance, she's standing on solid ground. >> jason, why wouldn't she just come out and if there is nothing, she didn't mention a game why wouldn't she come out and say so? >> i think the problem is her t.j. would be chock full of taking the fifth. i don't think she wants that big p.r. nightmare. at a certain point they need ...

Having seen her state reject exactly the kind of politics that brought her into public life to begin with. >> they are in retreat on those issues, but they're not generally in retreat. and i think we are going to see a ted cruz, we're going to see people with more finesse. you know, she was never interested in governing anyone. she passed one bill. so why wouldn't she, as your graphics laid out so perfectly tonight, why wouldn't she, ka-ching, take the paycheck, take the cars, make the speeches, and give up on all of this nonsense, especially around campaign finance. >> but i think what she's ...

>> sean: yeah, it was horrible. >> now that's the person pleading the fifth. that whole thing i don't understand. in this circumstance, though, with the irs, i think it's importa figure out, is being conservative the thing that they were targeting? >> sean: it was. >> that's in dispute. >> sean: no, it's not. >> the data now show only a third of the special investigated groups were conservatives. >> sean: she came out and said they went after groups with the word tea party, patriot, conservative. >> yes, but the other guy, miller, who testified said only the 70 of the 300 were in that tea part...

Do, having heard at least some of your remarks is that today our u.n. ambassador, susan rice, was not -- she did not attend the speech by the prime minister because the speeches went long today. instead she elected to go to a luncheon with foreign ministers. so she was not present. now we had -- we had our envoy there and we had our u.s. ambassador, israel, there, but for some reason it appeared to me that it would have been, in light of the promise that we've had showing our closeness with this country, she should have been there. >> well, from the obama administration point of view i would h...

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