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>> and, governor, do you think -- and i know you know boone's plans very well. do you think that is the direction we can go in? >> yes, and i was the first public official, i believe, as a governor, to sign on to boone's plan. and i believe that. >> that's right. >> president obama is heading in the right direction, too. it's just that we lack the political will in the congress, republicans and democrats need to face these issues and act on them. now, individual states are moving in the right direction. my state went renewable, california, but it takes leadership from the federal government an...

Where we have 4,000 trillion cubic feet of natural gas in america, that is huge. we're the largest of all nations on natural gas reserves. we're bigger than russia, bigger than iran. we have the most natural gas of anybody. and we've got to use it. it's cleaner, it's cheaper, it's abundant, and it's ours. we've just got to get started. >> governor richardson, you talk about this political will. where does it come from? where do we get it? we all talk about it when oil is above $100 a barrel, but where do we actually make the long-term and financial commitments to change over the way we generat...

>> well, the president has gone in the right direction, so has boone pickens. i think he's absolutely right that we're to cap the fossil fuels, especially from opec. the political will has been lacking to develop new sources of energy that are the most promising. renewables and natural gas. i believe that fossil fuels, yeah, they're part of the mix, but our commitment to a renewable portfolio standard nationally so that at least 20%, 30% is from solar and wind, a commitment to develop natural gas has not happened. i think nuclear has to be part of the mix, but it's going to have problems, espe...

Of these cuts, they're going to affect you. one of my -- one of the things i like to say when someone asks me, what would you cut, my favorite answer is to say everything not listed in article one section eight. we could go down the line and look at various departments, departments of agriculture, transportation, urban housing and development, all of that. education, all of this. there's a ton of places where cuts could be made. and i do want to make the point that when you take 5% here, 5% there, 1% here, 1% there, after a while it does start to add up. and i think it's a good step in the rig...

Leadership, take off your lace panties, stop being noodle backs, take a strong, bold, unwavering stand for and with the american people. >> wow. will cane is cnn contributor. tea party, helpful or hurtful at this moment in time. not what dana was talking about, november 2nd. we all got that message. at this time, helpful or hurtful? >> both. is that i a nonanswer? if you're morbidly obese is it a suggestion to just cut off starvation or run mine miles a day? it is a principled position, whether we should cut billions is not politics but priorities. it has nothing to do with the deficit, it's a...