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Think it's a good sign for the soldiers, i don't think it's an inspiring message for soldiers fighting in ukraine rhino. >> let's talk about the role for a moment the leader of the democratic opposition wrote in the new york times. the events in the past few days have underlying that belarus is central to putin's regional strategy. without lukashenko, moscow's options are diminished. and without putin, lukashenko cannot hope to survive. ambassador, what might this dynamic mean for both the war in ukraine and also diplomacy in europe?. a >> first of, all i think mr. lukashenko's playing with fi...

In europe? . a >> first of, all i think mr. lukashenko's playing with fire by inviting prigozhin and all these are mercenaries to be in this country. he's not in a strong position already, those are very effective under the gun, and many have been arrested. but he is not a popular figure in belarus. i'm not sure if he's understanding the long term for. that but more broadly, speaking as this nato summit will be attended by all the nato leaders. like you just reported, it's a very important time for nato to come together and understand what is the most effective way to try it in this war. and i...

This is really the moment. the moment to make strong decisions on the prospect of ukraine's membership in nato, and be very clear about that. some countries are even afraid of mentioning the word invitation. but we actually believe -- >> they haven't invited you to the summit. >> we got invited, but not to the summit itself but to participate in the nato/ukraine council taking place on the margins of the summit. but some countries are arguing now that we shouldn't be inviting ukraine because that will escalate. exactly the same logic. we think complete differently. all conditions are there to ...

Michael mcfaul. ambassador michael mcfaul, you are one of the ones that was following nonstop over the last 48 hours as this whole entire thing played out. and one tweet after it has stood out for me that i want to read for folks. the lesson of the war in ukraine is clear. putin is more likely to negotiate an end to his war if he is looking -- louisiana battlefield. those who have argued that ukraine must not attack crimea for triggering escalation must now reevaluate that hypothesis. i want you to talk more about this first and then i have a challenge for you after. but tell me more about thi...

Saving off-ramp. and those are many of the analogies, rattling the corner, that's another one, right? i don't claim to know that i know what putin will do in any situation in ukraine, but what we just saw on the last 48 hours is he was tested, he said these guys were criminals, they were traitors and would be dealt with. you are showing the video right. now he was very tough in his rhetoric. five hours later, when he has the opportunity to escalate and to use force against the wagner mercenary's coming to moscow, which everyone expected, by the way, in russia, he chose to negotiate instead. i'...