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How are you going to ensure that, in fact, the goal of americans seeing a lower tax rate actually takes place? i know that after this the president put out his white paper. we are going to see the mark-ups in house and ways means. when you take away all of the deductions that may very well make one's rate go up. how are you producing lower tax for the middle-class? >> it's take get away many deductions and credits, many are special interest provision that a lot of hard working folks and east dallas don't benefit from. so clearly politics will intrude into politics, it's just what happens in wa...

Intrudes. and i think we saw this with the bush administration, as well. there was an total to say that there was a sort of alternate reality that they could live in. and eventually, i think reality intrudes. so as long as we focus on the reality of the situation, i think journalists will be held in good instead. and reality will intrude, and impose itself on the trump administration and they'll have to deal with it. >> eric deegens and joe rosen, thank you both. i learned something tonight. appreciate your time. later in the show, we will dive into donald trump's potential conflicts of intere...