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Matters. i think we're seeing bob mueller start with both manafort and his one-time deputy in today's indictments but not where it's going to stop. he's clearly using indictment today along with the guilty plea on the part of george papadopoulos not only to goose manafort and deputy into cooperating and as you were saying, to send a signal he will mueller will charge you with anything he's capable of, and if you cooperate, you will get a lighter charge. but if you fail to do so, as in the case of manafort earlier today, you will be faced with potentially 12 charges. >> right. and just because ...

The legal questions to the legal team, they don't want to talked about it. but all around the president, his closest allies are starting to really go after bob mueller. i think that reveals some nerves as this thing gets closer maybe to an end game. >> jennifer, will mueller and i think the 16 associate counsels he's hired, will chris wray, the new director of the fbi, all be able to fold themselves into their work and shut out the noise? because that will be essential to the work product they eventually submit to the american people. >> i think so. i mean, they've probably never had an invest...

Newt gingrich is on tv saying that mueller is corrupt now. when mueller was appointed, we all know newt gingrich tweeted that he was a superb choice, had impeccable credentials and republicans should calm down. what's changed? mueller has gotten closer to the president as this probe has gone on. although trump and sarah sanders when they speak publicly on this matter say we're fully cooperating, they deflect all the legal questions to the legal team, they don't want to talked about it. but all around the president, his closest allies are starting to really go after bob mueller. i think that re...

Has hey conflict of interest. >> so mueller looking into these meetings, what does that tell you about the organization and where it's going, philip? >> this is pretty straightforward. when you start this investigation you start from the outside of the you talk to the lower level people to determine what they know about the higher level people. when you go into the more senior people in the white house, for example, conversations with the individuals mueller will speak with in the next week or two or three, you have a volume of information, information like phone and e-mails, but also intervie...

You about the investigation and where it is going, philip? >> it is straight forward. when you start the investigation, you start at the outside and talk to the lower level people to determine what they know about the higher level people. when you go into the more senior people in the white house, and for example, conversations with the individuals that mueller is going to be speaking to in the next week or two, and you will have a volume of information and like phone and e-mails and interview s wi interviews with the lower level officials. and the bottom line here is that the mueller team has...