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Unanimously saying he still does want to come back. he wants to apologize and show that he can get past this, show he can have that second act that you are referring to show he can restore his credibility and trust. but that's going to be a very difficult thing. that apology is something that's going to have to be very carefully done and where and how and when those are all questions that are up for debate right now. the suspension doesn't end until august, but a lot of folks in the industry are shocked that this has gone on as long as it has. they thought there would be a resolution by the en...

To be good citizens as the last guest mentioned, and hold on to these records for the good of the country is absurd. and just the logistical difficulty of obtaining these records is going to be very difficult. i understand the privacy concern, but you're going to make it almost impossible as a practical matter to get these records in a timely manner which also counts. >> which phone companies are you talking about, tom? >> i'm not going to name the phone companies, but there are many that are internet service providers where you have voice-over internet protocol. some are not based here. they'...

Would terrorists be contacting someone in the united states? maybe. but more to the larger point of just turning this program off, does it make america less safe? what a white house review group said two years ago was there wasn't anything they could see that you couldn't have gotten by going with a court order. in orders all of the 50 plots that the nsa director at the time had said had been headed off allegedly by this records collection program, this white house review group said you could have done that through court orders. now, the problem then becomes, as tom was pointing out, this revi...

The plane." >> see how i got us out of that? >> who they bugged will be out of the bag. they helped edward snowden leak the sensitive documents and he was about to publish the biggest story yet. the reporter told the sunday times of london one of the big questions when it comes to domestic spying is who is will nsa's specific targets. are they generally people we regard as terrorists? what are the metrics and calculations that go into the targets and what is done with the surveillance conducted? speaking of surveillance.