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Absolutely we were confident that we were right on the constitution, right on the law. we still are. >> sandra: we've chatted about this with you along the way. you've been leading this charge. 20 states involved. what do we need to know, our viewers need to know about what you are hearing from the states at this point on this? >> well, one is it's a pretty large coalition. there are lots of states interested in having the opportunity to set their own policies on healthcare. i think it is largely because obamacare has failed. it has been expensive. limited choices for doctors and i think we're...

And if we have exceptions to that, then we start changing the way our government is operating, then it limits the ability of people to have impact on their government. >> sandra: want to give an idea of what democrats are saying on this. chuck schumer leading democrat on the lawsuit said the republican-backed lawsuits that takes away protections with pre-existing conditions makes the stakes as high as could be. to him you say what? >> look, i understand that he wants the federal government to dictate everything to the individual and to the states. certainly in texas and these other 20 states w...

>> sandra: obamacare facing one of its biggest challenges to date in a 20-state lawsuit against the affordable care act. a group of republican state attorneys general are trying to do in a federal courtroom what congress has not been able to do. get rid of obamacare. leading the group is texas attorney general ken paxton. he joins us now. so can you succeed, ken, where congress has failed? >> i think we're very likely to succeed. if you'll remember the u.s. supreme court said obamacare was tethered to the constitution by a very thin thread. in this case the thread was the penalty and if you re...

How much is riding on the mid-terms and he wants to lend his voice and his support to those democratic candidates and to fire up. fire up the base to get them out there. >> sandra: wouldn't be so bad if it benefited his party, right, bill? >> he is trying to get the obama coalition to come out. one of the problems is that they didn't come out during the two mid-terms when he was president. so it is a question. it also kind of points to the lack of a democratic message other than maybe impeachment because they are going backwards to president obama. so i can understand president obama's distres...

Everything he did his major achievements. paris accord didn't go through congress. he did it executive power overreach. >> bill: the point that kellyanne conway is making on that. obama's policies were built on sand and they were very easily able. >> that's the problem when you build it. he said i have a pen and phone. when you build it on that rather than legislative achievement. the two big achievements were the stimulus and obamacare, right? a lot of the other stuff was executive order. he who lives by executive order can die by executive order and why he sees -- the one things republicans ...