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The white house keeps chafrmging the story. they refuse to clear up the time line about when kelly was aware of the allegations and now cnn is learning it is because of a tick tock that is damming to them, correct? >> that's right. a source familiar with the matter tells my colleague jim acosta that one of the reasons the white house has not released a tick-tock is because it would be too damming. today you heard the press secretary say chief of staff john kelly wasn't fully aware of the allegations until just this week. and then when pressed on that, he only would say that he didn't -- he had...

White house. and they look the other way. >> yeah. >> and they didn't go as deep as they wanted to. and let me just add one other thing. the fact that the chief of staff took talking points from hope hicks who everyone in the white house apparently knew was involved with rob porter, the fact that he allowed her to construct those talking points was another thing that just boggles my mind. i mean why wouldn't you say you shouldn't be involved in this? >> there is another thing, david. a source tonight is saying that rob porter's ex-girlfriend called the white house counsel in recent weeks to in...

>> yeah. well, look, one of the differences is that president obama took office in the midst of an epic economic crisis. and most economists other than very i hdeological ones agreed there needed to be a jolt to the economy in order to keep the economy from slipping into a depression. and sow supported a stimulus bill, the recovery act to get that done. and there was a great deal of -- on the republican sidest aisle about that. even though it was clearly necessary. now we are in better times and yet we've seen a tax bill that adds 1$1.5 to the debt and this spending bill that will add hundred ...

Horrible. this is the donald trump white house so no one cares about women. look at the national security implications. look what he's now done to the president. i mean, it's really kind of stunning. >> and you got -- you've got -- jarrod kucher jared kushner doe have a permanent clearance right now and a reality tv star that shows up at meetings where sensitive information would be discussed and it's a small place. you overhear things when you're in the white house. you have omarosa who is now on a reality show whispering secrets. >> yeah, scaring people. >> you have porter and jared kushner ...

Blundered into this situation right now in the senate, there are major difficulties facing them in the house, with house democrats, about daca and immigration. they still need to face off with. they essentially ran out of time in the senate. and now once again, as you noted, for the second time in 17 days, government is about to shut down. >> pamela, to you now. the white house is now taking precautions for the shutdown. but do they think it is going to happen? >> you know, i think that they were optimistic, cautiously optimistic that it wouldn't. that no one would really actually have an appe...