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Decision. >> either he's afraid he won't tell the truth or they're afraid the truth is really bad. that's where we are. >> shan wu, michael zelden, thank you so much. still ahead, republican congressman devin nunes lashing out at the u.s. justice department. why the chairman of the house intel committee is threatening to hold the u.s. attorney general in contempt, next. hello. let's go for a ride on a peloton. let's go grab a couple thousand friends and chase each other up a hill. let's go make a personal best, then beat it with your personal better than best. let's go bring the world's best...

Indications that that is not a truthful statement. remember, you can be charged with a false statement by saying i don't remember when there is evident that you actually do remember and that you're sort of lying if you will by not remembering. >> laura, go ahead. >> the number 25 and the number you also quoted about the number of times he lies is important but the bigger number here is five because he still has a fifth amendment right against self incrimination if he does sit down under an interview. and in most cases and circumstances would you think that a president of the united states exer...

One has ever held a president in contempt, that is another battle mueller would have to face. >> thank you, all. i appreciate it. >> thank you. when we come back, he was no coffee boy. joseph schmitz was one of the earliest foreign policy advisers and mixed up in efforts to find dirt on hillary clinton during the campaign. another cnn exclusive next. surpri-- hold up. hold up. we got a laggy video call here. you need verizon, the best network for streaming. trade ya. okay, people, that's a reset. let's take it back from "supri--" (avo) get up to 50% off our best phones. because unlimited is ...

So much? >> yeah, the first step would be for a lawyer to communicate request twith the prosecutor. short of that, i think a judge could very well hold a witness in contempt. and i would think in a case like this when a witness is so publicly defying the subpoena power of the prosecutor, i would believe that a prosecutor would feel a very strong desire to file charges, to file a motion for contempt, because you have to think about the deterrent effect that that might have on other witnesses out there, not just in this case but in every case going on throughout the country. >> another followup ...

Reasons. first of all, witnesses can't themselves invoke executive privilege. second of all, he's refusing t answer questions based on executive privilege. executive privilege does not apply before anyone is an executive. so it's just kind of flagrantly defying the committee here. i think the real question going forward is does committee have the stomach to see this through, to hold them the in contempt and ask the court to issue an order compelling him to testify? i suspect what bannon is doing is counting on republicans in the house eventually to back down and let him off the hook without ev...