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Horrified by seeing how these officers define public safety for this individual. i am horrified by the number of people that participated in this act, actively and passively. i am horrified by seeing another unarmed african american man being insulted by law enforcement in the way that he was assaulted. it is all those things i see at the same time, and none of these things are new. memphis is not unique. we have to approach this problem differently and we have to approach it with the definition that we did for both of them. >> there is something, antonia, that you are mentioned while reportin...

It all starts with this top that is a traffic stop, i don't understand how a transition from a traffic stop into this terrible assault that looked like a lynching on the street. the real issue is, how did it escalate so quickly? and in the manner that it did, with that use of force. they have policies in place, the real issues that i see when i watch this video are, what are the policies and did the policies from that department apply to this unit? that is a very important question that we have to answer with things like this, because that this is one of the cities that does have use of force ...

Department, about the formation of the scorpion unit, and the culture of policing here in memphis, alex? >> 100%, thank you, antonia, for that. i do want you to stay with us as we bring you to this conversation right now with you. we have come in best, retired seattle police chief now at msnbc law enforcement analyst. as well as paul henderson, veteran prosecutor and trial attorney and executive director of the san francisco department of police accountability. welcome to you both, carmen, the scorpion unit. first of all, did you have anything like this in seattle when you are police chief? if...

From tyre�*s mum calling for that change. you have spoken to the family, the pain is unimaginable. what are they saying at this stage? i have not spoken with them today, however just a day ago i spoke with tyre�*s father and they are exhibiting, i believe, a tremendous strength under unbelievable circumstances. and i have found them a source to look to that has steadied the community during these times. they have held together in what many of us would have been emotionally broken under, so as they grieve before the world they continue to exhibit a strength that can only come from god. and ...

You have five police officers has obviously been fired. to fight about personnel, as. well one other point to make, alex, there was a six responding officer initially from the scorpion unit, from memphis police department. we have parts of his body camera. and you actually hear as you say with the abandoned car, him saying something to the effect of, i hope they stop him. and that perhaps is emblematic of this toxic culture we talk about right now, that desperately needs to be reformed. alex? >> i am glad you put that in perspective, sam. i didn't know from which officer that quote came. it di...