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I want to show you this. this is in 2020. this is what the final poll average look like in each one of those states. ohio has that big senate race this year. j. d. vance, tim ryan. wisconsin had the senate race, we were just talking about it. mandela barnes, ron johnson. the final numbers in 2020, the average, trump was leading ohio by one point. we were talking about could biden win ohio. biden seemed to be in control and wisconsin, 6. 7 was his average lead. there was a poll that had him up 17 points, close to the election, one poll. here is what actually happened in those states. biden did ...

In those states. biden did win wisconsin, but by a whisker. there was a polling miss of six points on average. trump did win ohio, but he won it easily, over eight points, a polling missed there of over seven points. that is the question a lot of people have been asking here. especially looking at the senate races in hawkeye oh and wisconsin. when you look at the polling, has the polling been missing something in these midwest states. have the pollsters figure out what it is? what is going on in those midwestern states in particular? joining us now is the perfect person to ask. he is charles, ...

That about 40% of the beneficiaries of his student loan plan are people who have the worst of both worlds. they have a lot of debt and they never got their degree. maybe they went to college us that defrauded them. maybe they just did not have the money to finish their degree. so helping those people get out of the hole they are in and get back on track in life, enabling them to buy homes, raise families, that is good for our economy and country. it is good for their economic opportunity. >> you think that the catherine cortez innovator, tim ryan's in ohio, they have enough winds that they cou...

Months then we have in the past ten years in this country. that is why joe biden fought so hard to get the chips act passed, so we can build more and more of these manufacturing jobs. to benefit people. again, whether or not they have a college degree. at the same time, we also want to have opportunity for people who go to college. the president noted yesterday that about 40% of the beneficiaries of his student loan plan are people who have the worst of both worlds. they have a lot of debt and they never got their degree. maybe they went to college us that defrauded them. maybe they just did n...

Latina. i identify as a wrong latina, right? my family came to this country as farmers. we could not go back to mexico. where i'm from in ohio, there's no question, i mexicans. when people see me, i mexican. but when i went to chicago for college, that was actually when i got more questions about whether i was mexican enough. so, i feel like we, have to confront ourselves on these things as well. >> yes, it's very much like that. but then, you are talking about the media, and how we are in a box. so, what is changing with that, gloria, because you know, come on gloria? >> this is my sister. th...