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President trump says about china, even the strategy in terms of getting their attention. but in all of this negotiation with foreign countries, he doesn't give them a win-win option. it seems like he -- if you think about nafta, he wants to humiliate the other side. and it's very hard for the other side to take that, because they have domestic politics, as well. and you know, is that not a fair criticism that, fine, you've got their attention, you've got some tough demands, now tell them, here's this wonderful win-win. it's not that you're losing and i'm winning. and that's what will get us to...

I don't think that's being achieved. >> is that not a fair point? i find myself quite sympathetic to some of the things president trump says about china, even the strategy in terms of getting their attention. in all his negotiations with foreign countries, he doesn't give them a win-win option. it seems like he -- if you think about 1/2 tarks about nafta, he wants to hugh mill tate the other side. it's hard for them to take that fine, gout their attention, you have some tough demands. tell them, here's this wonderful win-win, it's not that you're losing and i'm winning, that's what will get us...

Kissinger. i drafted six or seven alternative approaches to consider. he at one point said, dan, you don't have a win option. i said, well, i don't think there is a win option. i said, you could double the number of troops and that would keep things quieter. but until they left. you can use nuclear weapons and kill all the people. i wouldn't call that a win. so as far as i see, there is no way to win. i took that opportunity to tell him something that i had long thought of telling somebody who was about to enter the world of really high secrecy. and i said, henry, you are about to get a lot of...

Nixon. and he at one point said dan, you don't have an option. i said, well, i don't think there is a win option. i said, you could double the number of troops and that would keep things quieter, but until they left. you can use nuclear weapons and kill off the people, i wouldn't call that a win. there just is no way to win. i too that opportunity to tell him something i long thought of telling somebody that was about to enter the world of really high secrecy. i said, henry, you're about to get a lot of clearances higher than top secret, that you did not know existed. that's going to have a se...